Comments on: Women in General Conference: It’s Not a “Primary Voice” https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/03/women-general-conference-primary-voice/ Truth Will Prevail Sun, 05 Aug 2018 23:56:25 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.9.8 By: Jennifer Rueben https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/03/women-general-conference-primary-voice/#comment-531287 Sat, 04 Apr 2015 22:46:33 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33093#comment-531287 as a speech teacher- when you are nervous many things happen to your voice, your gestures and you presentation including the raising of your voice and the stiff manner . Experience will correct most of these issues. Personally listening to women at general conference I am more bothered by the smiley face and tone throughout even when presenting serious material and telling sad stories. I didn’t realize that the condescending tone was one of the most common speech patterns of the Utah area until we moved here two years ago. The majority of the sisters speaking at general conference will be from this area until families are asked to relocated for the sister’s calling too. Second point -one of the first lessons taught to teachers is to lower and soften your voice. children do not respond well to that sing-song high tone Primary voice either.

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By: Alison Moore Smith https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/03/women-general-conference-primary-voice/#comment-531281 Sat, 04 Apr 2015 19:55:14 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33093#comment-531281 P.S. The first time I read your comment, I interpreted it as “My parents didn’t get a VT until I was 17…” (as in visiting teacher) and I couldn’t figure out what that was referring to. heh

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By: Alison Moore Smith https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/03/women-general-conference-primary-voice/#comment-531280 Sat, 04 Apr 2015 19:54:12 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33093#comment-531280 Thank you! David Copperfield is the only one of those I’ve seen. (Not even sure it’s the same version, but it was great.) Can add to my depleting list. :)

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By: Hedgehog https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/03/women-general-conference-primary-voice/#comment-531274 Sat, 04 Apr 2015 08:04:33 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33093#comment-531274 My parents didn’t get a TV until I was 17, and we don’t have one, so I’m not much help from a current perspective. In the past, I enjoyed the BBC’s Miss Marple series with Joan Hickson in the leading role and also C4 Poirot series with David Suchet. There was a great series based on Ellis Peter’s Bro Cadfael books with Derek Jacobi, and the BBC adaptations of Lord Peter Wimsey with Edward Petherbridge and Harriet Walter. And a pre-Harry Potter Daniel Radcliffe in the BBC production of David Copperfield with Maggie Smith as Betsy Trotwood.
I do love radio drama though. My favourite is Pilgrim by Sebastian Baczkiewicz, which is up to series 6 now, with 4 episodes in each. Various legal series, detective series. The classic book adaptations are really, really well done. Plus lots of stand alone plays.

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By: Alison Moore Smith https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/03/women-general-conference-primary-voice/#comment-531248 Fri, 03 Apr 2015 01:06:17 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33093#comment-531248 I knew there was something about you, Hedgehog. In here putting on airs. (Or, in this case, maybe it’s heirs?)

And to almost completely threadjack my own post, what is it about British drama? When I first moved to England, I thought I’d die of TV boredom. In my desperation I gave in and began watching, only to fall in love. Let’s just admit that the Brits train their actors much better on average. My daughter (one of my performing kids) and I watch every British series we can find. If you have a similar addiction and can recommend favorites, please do!

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By: Hedgehog https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/03/women-general-conference-primary-voice/#comment-531230 Thu, 02 Apr 2015 07:32:05 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33093#comment-531230 Alison, #27, To answer your question, that first clip she didn’t sound as shrill as the lecturer I referred to, but still fairly high pitch, but with a moderating mellow quality to it, at least in the recording.
But golly, those received pronunciation BBC accents. Broadcasting is much more diverse in voice and accent these days. I grew up listening to BBC radio in the 70s though, and derived much of my accent from there. No wonder the kids at school accused me of being posh. I wasn’t at all. But I certainly must have sounded it!

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By: Alison Moore Smith https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/03/women-general-conference-primary-voice/#comment-531223 Wed, 01 Apr 2015 20:31:31 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33093#comment-531223 mirrorrorrim, only very slightly related, a few years ago Elder Bednar spoke in our stake conference in Eagle Mountain. I don’t remember how it all happened, but he called a deacon up to the pulpit and asked him something. In response the boy started out saying something in which he incorporated the word “crap.” He was then duly chastised for his foul language.

I think I’m in trouble.

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By: JAT https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/03/women-general-conference-primary-voice/#comment-531203 Wed, 01 Apr 2015 16:23:59 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33093#comment-531203 Sister Kristen Oaks (2nd wife of Elder Oaks) has a very “primary” voice and she sounds like a teenager with a heavy Utah accent. It’s interesting to hear.

The GA’s all get public speaking/elocution lessons before being put in front of millions of people in General Conference. They get help and practice using teleprompters, speaking clearly and slowly, not using hand gestures, etc. I heard through the rumor mill that there is an LDS-led consulting company based in DC that provides speech coaching to GAs in SLC as well as political figures in DC. (Rumor only, it might need to be filed behind Steve Martin’s baptismal story.)

I wonder though if by now, people who rise to GA levels haven’t already perfected the elocution style simply by parroting GA’s and practicing in local/stake wards. Have you noticed that many local leaders have conference voice down pat?

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By: Mark B. https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/03/women-general-conference-primary-voice/#comment-531189 Wed, 01 Apr 2015 03:59:58 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33093#comment-531189 I’m still wondering where the “c” is in Fliegerabwehrkanone.

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By: mirrorrorrim https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/03/women-general-conference-primary-voice/#comment-531188 Wed, 01 Apr 2015 03:02:55 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33093#comment-531188 Alison, that makes it even funnier.

For Sister Rosemary Wixom in particular, I should point out that it’s much more than the way she speaks: it’s her entire delivery. I still remember a couple Women’s Sessions ago (can that title be applied retroactively?) when she had all the different age groups stand up and sing different verses of “Teach Me to Walk in the Light.” It was touching, but it also seemed very Primary-ish to me, and a little awkward. But I’m not big on singing in front of strangers to begin with, so maybe it was less awkward than I remember it being.

But I think Scott makes a great point—the couple of times I have heard General Authorities speak in Stake Conference, it was completely different. Brother Russell Nelson is usually one of the speakers I don’t enjoy listening to, but when I heard him in Stake Conference a year or so ago, it was an entirely different experience, and I really, really enjoyed it. I thought that would carry over to his General Conference addresses, but so far that hasn’t at all been the case—in October he was as hard to listen to for me as ever. I bet that’s also true for the female leaders, maybe even more so, since they tend to get about half as much time to give their talks than the apostles do, and probably feel they have less leeway on what they can say.

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By: Alison Moore Smith https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/03/women-general-conference-primary-voice/#comment-531176 Tue, 31 Mar 2015 16:16:55 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33093#comment-531176 Hedgehog, very interesting article. I lived in England for a bit when Thatcher was the prime minister. I admire many things about her.

Did you find her “shrill” in the clip? I did not at all, but rather well-spoken and gracious. Either way, I suspect there is also a UK element of class involved. How one speaks is an enormous indicator of where one sits in the social hierarchy

I can put on the queen’s English and can manage cockney, but I do a mean broad Yorkshire, even if it doesn’t get people to curtsey for me. :)

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By: Hedgehog https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/03/women-general-conference-primary-voice/#comment-531165 Tue, 31 Mar 2015 07:36:34 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33093#comment-531165 I don’t think it’s just a church thing. Back when I was a student there was one female lecturer with a really shrill voice. She was very difficult to listen to. Margaret Thatcher got a voice coach to lower her pitch. And apparently power changes the way we speak. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11251919/From-shrill-housewife-to-Downing-Street-the-changing-voice-of-Margaret-Thatcher.html)

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By: Alison Moore Smith https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/03/women-general-conference-primary-voice/#comment-531158 Tue, 31 Mar 2015 03:18:13 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33093#comment-531158

“Hahaha, I love your spelled-out impression of Brother Nelson—it’s spot-on!”

mirrorrorrim, forgot to tell you, the funny thing is that I just googled “Russell Nelson,” clicked on “videos,” picked a random result, moved the cursor to the middle of a talk, and typed in what he said. Doesn’t really matter where you go in his talks, the cadence is there. :)

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By: Alison Moore Smith https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/03/women-general-conference-primary-voice/#comment-531157 Tue, 31 Mar 2015 03:15:44 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33093#comment-531157 Left Field, if you can find David Bowie and give him a nudge that would be great. (How has he survived with that name?)

J Town, you’re killing me. I need to meet that guy.

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By: Sandy https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/03/women-general-conference-primary-voice/#comment-531156 Tue, 31 Mar 2015 03:05:19 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33093#comment-531156 Thank you for stating what I have always thought. Sherri Dew was always one female voice that I could listen to and not feel I was being talked to like a small child.

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