Comments on: GenConf: Priesthood Session Notes https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/04/genconf-priesthood-session-notes/ Truth Will Prevail Sun, 05 Aug 2018 23:56:25 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.9.8 By: mirrorrorrim https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/04/genconf-priesthood-session-notes/#comment-531311 Sun, 05 Apr 2015 20:47:12 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33172#comment-531311 Thank you for your kind words, Josh Smith. I know sometimes I can be too forceful when I express things, so thank you for looking past that. Reading over my comment about Brother Russell Ballard, I came down on him harder than I intended to.

I know I treat the apostles and other leaders with more familiarity than a lot of people find appropriate. I apologize to anyone who has been offended by my doing that—that isn’t my intention. I see them as normal, real people, and treat them like that. That is a foundational part of my testimony, that God is so amazing that he can take ordinary people and have them lead His church, and that it survives all the bungled attempts to follow and to lead that go along with that. Most days, that’s what helps keep me in the church, too: understanding that none of us are perfect.

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By: Josh Smith https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/04/genconf-priesthood-session-notes/#comment-531309 Sun, 05 Apr 2015 20:02:59 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33172#comment-531309 Old Man, I posted my comment without having read your comment. We were simultaneously posting. Zoinks. I have no comment on your comment. Just sayin’.

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By: Josh Smith https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/04/genconf-priesthood-session-notes/#comment-531308 Sun, 05 Apr 2015 20:01:41 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33172#comment-531308 mirrorrorrim (5)

i understand your comment, and I think I understand the tone. You strike me as someone sincere and thoughtful. Thanks for posting #5. I don’t have any real solutions, but I appreciated your comment.

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By: Old Man https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/04/genconf-priesthood-session-notes/#comment-531307 Sun, 05 Apr 2015 19:49:01 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33172#comment-531307 mirrorrorrim:

Acknowledging weaknesses or requesting repairs from the experts (in keeping with the metaphor) did NOT get Kate Kelly excommunicated. Can you honestly recall any weaknesses which she admitted to possessing? She wanted all vehicles altered to her own specs.

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By: mirrorrorrim https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/04/genconf-priesthood-session-notes/#comment-531305 Sun, 05 Apr 2015 18:07:49 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33172#comment-531305 I really, really loved Brother Dieter Uchtdorf’s talk, about tearing down our Potemkin Villages and un-useful goals and statistics. My favorite quote from it was, “Many of the things you can count do not count, and many of the things you cannot count really do count.” The hardest part of his talk for me is the idea of treating church like a repair shop, not a dealership display case. I want to, but I feel that the first display of weakness so often leads others to condemn the weakened person. It may be a repair shop, but I feel like most Sundays people are looking to see who passes or fails their Safety and Emissions. I’m scared to be honest because I think surrounding voices of judgment will come down on me. I know not all wards are like that—I have been in some really good ones—but, from my limited experience, most are. Brother Dieter’s solution, to just not care about what those around us think, is, I feel, the right one, but is very, very hard, especially when we recently saw with Sister Kate Kelly that it can very realistically result in excommunication. In Jesus’s day, excommunication was a sign of one who would follow God and Jesus Christ. Maybe the same is still true today, or will be until wards have enough people express their honest feelings, weaknesses, and strengths, that it becomes normal and commonplace. But it seems a risky endeavor.

Cameron, “Brother” is how I refer to all our leaders (except the women: I call them “Sister”). It’s a personal designation, not a derisive one. However, I have never understood using “Brother” or “Sister” and a last name, which is why after my first reference, where I use the full name, I usually just use the person’s personal name from there on out. In my own ward, I tend not to use Brother or Sister at all, and to call people, including leaders, by their first names.

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By: John Taber https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/04/genconf-priesthood-session-notes/#comment-531298 Sun, 05 Apr 2015 05:07:46 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33172#comment-531298 “It would probably shock him to learn that lots of girls spend potentially more time on hand held computers than many guys do.”

It might not, but there weren’t any YSA women in the intended audience.

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By: jader3rd https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/04/genconf-priesthood-session-notes/#comment-531297 Sun, 05 Apr 2015 04:56:50 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33172#comment-531297 I don’t know if Elder Ballard is more or less out of touch than compared to any other time, but he does seem to have this vision of lots of perfectly eligible single sisters being anxiously engaged, without a single ‘normal’ human being male in sight. It would probably shock him to learn that lots of girls spend potentially more time on hand held computers than many guys do. The talk he gave pretty much assumes that if a guy isn’t married within 24 hours of being released from a mission it must be because he’s socially awkward and afraid of people with long hair; it certainly couldn’t possibly any girls fault.

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By: Cameron N. https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/04/genconf-priesthood-session-notes/#comment-531296 Sun, 05 Apr 2015 04:16:11 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33172#comment-531296 I feel like you’re projecting an awful lot there, mirrorrorrim. He’s he first apostle to namedrop Snapchat and Tinder in conference. He is saying that tone is a vital element and often lost or misinterpreted in digital communication, something any millennial or contemporary internet user would agree with. Case in point!–I can’t tell with certainty if your referring to him as ‘Brother’ is demeaning or affectionate ‘brother Joseph’ era lingo, so I’m left to guess the former based on your content.

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By: mirrorrorrim https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/04/genconf-priesthood-session-notes/#comment-531295 Sun, 05 Apr 2015 04:06:36 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33172#comment-531295 I hope he’ll forgive me for saying this, but I feel like Brother Russell Ballard is falling out of touch with people today, particularly the youth. To highlight this, it seems rather ironic that he would begin his talk by saying that he feels he knows prospective missionaries by just a picture and some third-party notes, but is so vehemently anti-written communication and insists it is no way for people to communicate.

Is his message that if young people text with the Spirit it’s okay, because then they’ll understand one another?

This talk seemed more appropriate for 13 years ago, when the raising of the bar was first given. Then it was exciting and inspiring. A decade and a quarter later, it seems to have fallen behind.

I guess we officially know now which apostle is the one that pushed so hard for all the church universities to drop classes actually systematically studying the scriptures and replace them with generalized proof-text-approach-friendly courses.

I feel like the coming young generation is the greatest generation our church has had so far, and poor Brother Russell is the one being left behind, trying to pull the youth back to the old way the world worked, where you could believe what you wanted to believe, and wouldn’t be exposed to truths or opinions that didn’t fit inside of that.

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