Comments on: Day of the Lamanite, Deferred https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/05/day-of-the-lamanite-deferred/ Truth Will Prevail Sun, 05 Aug 2018 23:56:25 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.9.8 By: samuelbearchief https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/05/day-of-the-lamanite-deferred/#comment-535431 Sat, 05 Dec 2015 06:27:46 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33377#comment-535431 If you have an understanding of the Bible, you should quickly realize that not all promises are equal.

Aside from that, though…

I can’t help, upon studying my own culture and history of Blackfoot (the Canadian portion of what Americans know as Blackfeet), I can’t help but think that my people are a part of these Lamanites. We fit the description, as much as I sometimes hate to admit, and at other times I’m amazed by the things we’ve preserved throughout the ages. Even if we discount the Book of Mormon from the equation, many aspects of our beliefs are insanely akin to Christianity/Israelity. The Book of Mormon simply fills in some blanks.

Whenever I read about Native Americans’ attitudes toward the Church and the Book of Mormon, I never come across them denying and rejecting these things, outright. They’re cynical and critical, and it’s more a result of their dealings with Church members and hateful Christians (like those hateful Amalekites stirring up the Lamanites to anger). In my own community, anyways, unless they’ve been brainwashed by ignorant, hateful preachers, the people here don’t deny the Book of Mormon. Instead, they’re mildly curious, but not to the point that they’re going to make life-altering decisions about it. It’s not their time, yet. It feels to me like my people are waiting for something.

It makes sense to me when the Book of Mormon prophecies speak of the day when the “arm of the Lord” will be revealed, then they’ll believe, and when they believe they’ll be solid. The principles of the first shall be last and the last first, and the weak shall be made strong, it seems to me that my people fit the bill.

There has to be another restoration. Where the first restoration was the Church to the gentiles, this second restoration is going to be the restoration of the house of Israel. This second restoration is going to make the first restoration pale in comparison (no pun intended). And, for clarification, the second restoration is going to be a continuation of the first. Jesus talks about it when he’s talking to the Nephites. He says that after the gentiles reject the fullness of the gospel, he remembers his covenants to his people, O house of Israel. And, when his people, O house of Israel, finally responds to his voice, they respond with trepidation and feelings of unworthiness, as Isaiah prophesied in his book, chapter 29 (or in 1 Nephi chapter 21). Then, after the house of Israel begins to be restored, finally Zion is built.

I think the gentiles which fill the Church today are wrong when they consider themselves to be the house of Israel. From the beginning, it was their job to get the Book of Mormon into the Lamanites’ and Israelites’ hands so they could spark the restoration of the house of Israel into fulfillment. Instead, the restoration was arrested when they failed to build Zion, which Zion was going to be the means by which the Lord would reveal his arm, which would be the signal for the house of Israel to begin to believe wholesale. Then whole nations would have converted. Instead, ever since the failure to build Zion, the Church has fallen captive to worldly governments. The Church has settled for building Zion within their hearts, and getting rich. And, the latter-day Lamanites are being cast out (if only the idea of Lamanites).

I’m not knowledgeable enough to argue with DNA “evidence”, but it sounds to me like not all geneticists are on the same page. In any case, setting aside the Book of Mormon, my own culture and history leads me to believe in a God who I can approach and commune with, the same God who created me and this world. The Book of Mormon, if not a record of the ancestors of my people, nonetheless confirms and strengthens my culture’s beliefs.

I won’t burden these comments anymore with my perspective. You can visit my site to see a continuation and expansion of this topic.

]]> By: Thelma https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/05/day-of-the-lamanite-deferred/#comment-534406 Sat, 17 Oct 2015 02:57:36 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33377#comment-534406 Sorry Samuel but we are all children of God as we all have the same promises, if we accept Christ as our Lord and saviour, there should be no more itas only children of God. This is a very interesting article but lets not jump on pride on our comments, do not judge at the end no one knows our Father in Heaven mind and at the end he will be the one telling who stays with him and who goes, our job is to be obidient and do as the Lord Jesus Christ did and love one another with all our qualities and inperfections.

]]> By: samuelbearchief https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/05/day-of-the-lamanite-deferred/#comment-532284 Thu, 02 Jul 2015 06:37:51 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33377#comment-532284 All ARE alike unto God, but not all have the same covenants and promises.
The Lamanites were promised that despite their rebelliousness that the Lord would prolong their existence in this land. They are also the seed of Lehi to whom was promised this land for his righteous posterity forever. Just as soon as there are righteous Lamanites who remember their covenant with God in this land, that covenant will be restored. Or in other words, the Lord will remember his covenant with the house of Israel.
The Gentiles in this land, in the meanwhile, “have been lifted up by the power of God above all other nations” (1 Nephi 13:30). This is the day of the Gentile. The Lord allowed the Gentiles to scatter and smite the Lamanites during this day. From where I sit, the blessings of the Lord upon the Gentiles ever since they arrived in this land have been tremendous. And, the Gentiles will continue to enjoy an inheritance in this land so long as they humble themselves and not seek to conquer and subdue the house of Israel in unrighteousness as it is today.
The house of Israel, when they are established in righteousness, will have no problem accepting the Gentiles as one of their own, but the question is: will the Gentiles humble themselves sufficiently to become equal to the house of Israel? If the Gentiles will continue on in their pride in thinking themselves better than the house of Israel, then they will be humbled (see 3 Nephi 21:12).
God expects the same of us all, but not all his promises and blessings are the same to us all.

]]> By: JimD https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/05/day-of-the-lamanite-deferred/#comment-531982 Sun, 07 Jun 2015 14:53:22 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33377#comment-531982 So much for “all are alike unto God”, I guess. . .

]]> By: Tyler Smith https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/05/day-of-the-lamanite-deferred/#comment-531979 Sun, 07 Jun 2015 05:57:50 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33377#comment-531979 Samuel BearChief, Thank you.

]]> By: samuelbearchief https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/05/day-of-the-lamanite-deferred/#comment-531978 Sun, 07 Jun 2015 04:35:15 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33377#comment-531978 The day of the Gentiles is now coming to a close. In chapter 21, of 3 Nephi, we are living in the days described by verses 8 to 11. Verse 12 will come quickly.
Many years have passed without incident with respect to the Lamanites in this land (North America) and many people are convincing themselves out of believing that the Book of Mormon was referring to the Lamanites of this land because they only see a people they despise and hate. When the day of the Gentile closes, you will see that the Lamanites of this land will be raised up to become a righteous branch of the house of Israel and reclaim the blessings of the Father to them, wherein they were given this land for their inheritance.
Many in the Church are filled with pride and proclaim themselves to be the house of Israel. They are adopted into the house of Israel. As Jacob, in his retelling of the vineyard and olive tree explained, although the Lord takes joy in the good fruit of the “wild branches”, yet he prefers the natural fruit, “which natural fruit is good and the most precious above all other fruit.” (Jacob 5:61)
It is interesting that this article should be written now and happened to catch my attention. The day of the Lamanite is about to dawn. “And when that day shall come, it shall come to pass that kings shall shut their mouths; for that which had not been told them shall they see; and that which they had not heard shall they consider.” (3 Nephi 21:8)
I am Samuel BearChief of the Siksika Nation.

]]> By: Cameron N. https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/05/day-of-the-lamanite-deferred/#comment-531916 Thu, 28 May 2015 23:50:58 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33377#comment-531916 Former Stake President of my singles ward at the BYU Provo, Larry Echohawk:

]]> By: EG https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/05/day-of-the-lamanite-deferred/#comment-531915 Thu, 28 May 2015 19:40:35 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33377#comment-531915 When I was on my mission in Mexico (1980s), we often attempted to spark interest in the Book of Mormon by telling investigators it was a story about their people. I do remember during that time there being a fair amount of discussion regarding the role of the “Lamanites” in the gospel. I also remember the old Indian Placement program and remember some families I personally knew who participated. I vaguely remember when the IP program ceased but couldn’t say precisely when the “Lamanite” discourse fell by the wayside.

]]> By: KLC https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/05/day-of-the-lamanite-deferred/#comment-531914 Thu, 28 May 2015 17:12:47 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33377#comment-531914 Dave, I’m old enough to have experienced first hand days of the Indian Placement program, President Kimball’s day of the Lamanite exhortations, and just the Lamanite zeitgeist that permeated LDS life in the mid 20th century. I’ve also wondered how it all disappeared so quickly from our discourse and was looking forward to some discussion of it here. But it looks like it has fallen so far off the radar that it can’t even generate many comments.

]]> By: Clay Cook https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/05/day-of-the-lamanite-deferred/#comment-531906 Wed, 27 May 2015 16:33:57 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33377#comment-531906 Over the last 10 years or so there has been a strong and consistent movement among indigenous people particularly in the Americas. Increased support for teaching native languages in schools, fighting oil companies in the rain-forest, human rights violations against indigenous people etc. There are two was to look at the term lamanite. One is actually linage which would be very difficult to determine simply due to the mixing of Lamanite DNA with the larger population that the Lehites encountered when they got here and the other is more of a general inclusive term that would include all indigenous people of the Americas. Looking at the label in general terms and the increase in activism among first nations one could suggest that “the day of the Lamanite” is upon us.

]]> By: Clark https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/05/day-of-the-lamanite-deferred/#comment-531905 Wed, 27 May 2015 14:18:26 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33377#comment-531905 To clarify, I mean doctrinally. There’s no doubt a change in emphasis. How much of that is due to racial sensitivity, how much embarrassment towards destructive if well intentioned programs from the 60s and 70s, how much to a general lessening of interest in discussion of end times theology, and how much to the success of limited geographical models theologically isn’t clear to me. I just don’t see people shifting their views of the promises to the Lamanites.

]]> By: Clark https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/05/day-of-the-lamanite-deferred/#comment-531904 Wed, 27 May 2015 14:07:29 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33377#comment-531904 Other than perhaps the claim the Pacific Islanders are descended from Hagoth I don’t think DNA has or could say much about the Lamanites. I confess I’ve not seen a lot of evidence people look at it differently now than in my youth. But it seems a difficult thing to measure too without polls.

]]> By: FarSide https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/05/day-of-the-lamanite-deferred/#comment-531900 Wed, 27 May 2015 04:31:58 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33377#comment-531900 Those pesky scientists and their DNA studies, along with scholarly inquiries about the historicity of the Book of Mormon, have also contributed, I believe, to the airbrushing of the “Day of the Lamanite” from our recent history and current discourse.

Thanks for your post, Dave, and numerous helpful links. I have “One Nation Under Gods” on my nightstand. I will now move it to the top of the pile so I can read it just as soon as I finish Michael Homer’s excellent book about the relationship between Freemasonry and Mormonism.

]]> By: Naz https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/05/day-of-the-lamanite-deferred/#comment-531899 Wed, 27 May 2015 04:18:22 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33377#comment-531899 All of these so called Mexicans coming in are a remnant of the House of Israel. When world war 3 breaks out there will no longer be a border between the southern countries of North America. It will be all one hemisphere of people coming in and taking their lands back from the US government. It is just a matter of time when this will happen and then will the conversion of the mixed nephite and lamanite happen.

]]> By: Dave https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/05/day-of-the-lamanite-deferred/#comment-531898 Wed, 27 May 2015 00:23:38 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33377#comment-531898 Chris8, it was state court. There is only one federal court district in Utah.

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